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Title: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on October 08, 2009, 11:21:27 PM Odavno samo spoznali da na blok 1.1 FIRE moze se postavi glava s iste poriodice motora.
Ako zelite ici u klase do 1150 potrazite glave s Fire motora poridica SOHC 16V. Postavite tu glavu s klipovima iz 16V motora u blok FIRE 1.1 Ako zelite jos vise KS potrazite glave koje imaju vece ventile. Laka kategorija konverzije, tuninga. Za vrlo ozbiljne performanse potrebno je imati glave s vecim precnicima ventila i nesto vece mogucnosti na prosirivanju kanala usisa i ispuha. brzina X l zraka/min. Evo vam nekih podataka: Bravo, Brava 1.2 16V..95->..........70.8 Strada 1.2 16V...........99-> 4 Eng. 182 B2.000/176 B9.000 1242ccm 60kw(82PS) Punto 85/85 Cabrio 16V..97-> Palio 75 Weekend......97-> Eng. M 657 BA.125 1242ccm Nuova Punto 1.2i.e. 16V..99-> Brava 1.2i.e. 16V......99-> Stilo 1.2i.e. 16V.........01-> Eng. 188 A5.000 1242ccm 59kw(80PS) Stilo 1.4 16V ........ 01-> Nouvo Punto ....... 03-> ............... 4 Idea 1.4 16V ....... 04-> Eng. 843 A1.000 1358ccm 70kw(95PS) Valve in 26,8x6x95 Valve ex 22,4x6x96,2 Evo bregasti catcams za taj motor. www.catcams.be Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: a112_abarth on October 09, 2009, 09:33:40 AM Uz tu konverziju bi bilo dobro zamjeniti i klipnjače jer su same po sebi lakše na 16V.
Druga stvar,što s podizačima ukoliko se ide na veće okretaje? Konverzija ili? Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: abarthson on October 09, 2009, 10:46:46 AM mehanicki sistem....i sistem s plocicom je laksi od hidropodizaca,znaci casica ,tablete,mada trpe i hidro,ali opet.....visis stalno na qm tak da znas i sam
Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: a112_abarth on October 09, 2009, 12:28:57 PM Ma to sam i mislio,ali postoji li neka OEM alternativa ili ide aftermarket.
Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on October 09, 2009, 02:39:55 PM Koliko visoki okretjai hidro moze do 9000 bez problema ali trbaju drugi hidro podizaci..
Seriski mogu podrzati provjereno 7600 ako su ok i dobra pumap ulja tj osigurna dobava ulja. Dalje nisam testirao--- vjerujem da mogu jos i vise. seriski se mogu prepravi u mahanicke ali to nije SRECA! moze biti kasnije velikih problema. Salice od catcams su lakse od hidro prerade i nadasve svojim dizajnom SIGURNE. Ne uzrokuju kasnije kvar na motoru. Postoje glave s vecim ventilima. Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on October 09, 2009, 11:14:23 PM Koji kod motora i tocno gde se moze pronaci glava s vecim ventlima.
Year 2004 new Panda, Punto,Doblo 1.2 ie. IN 31.9x5x98.4 EX 27.3x5x98.1 Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Acki on October 11, 2009, 11:16:52 PM Be care, FIRE 1.2 MPI is a 8V engine. 1242cc same as 16V!
8V ~ 75hp (normal Punto), 16V ~ 86hp (Punto Sporting, Lancia Y), 1.4 16V ~ 100hp (Panda 100hp etc. -> base for 1.4 16V T-JET). Camshafts are other between 1.2 16V and 1.4 16V, timings I will send you. I think it was 220° and 232° or something around. Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on October 12, 2009, 09:19:36 PM Very kind of you. It would be very helpful.
If you can put a cam on the 1.2 head, this is a great happiness. Thank you again According to the words of Dr. maljka and rough calculations 1.2 16V head is already available power from 3500-9000 without porting. - amazing Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Acki on October 12, 2009, 09:47:15 PM Look at standard torque and power, it's amazing what this engine can when you have seen the channels. Every FIRE 1.0 with 45hp has bigger channels! But it's a 16V ;)
Camdata's will follow at week end! PC Software of a friend's workshop had this facts. Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: a112_abarth on October 12, 2009, 10:10:03 PM Most of the FIRE engines have very mild or should i say weak camshafts,but yet again good results from the engine,especially if you consider it is a free running engine.
1.2 16V was also available in Bravo/Brava. Cam timing for Punto Sporting MK1 16V according to some data sheet should be 224° inlet 212° outlet Dunno about lift specs though. Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: dr.Maljak on October 12, 2009, 10:32:11 PM Zeljko da te ispravim, nisam rekao da je glava u std izvedbi (kanali) sposobna za pik na 8000rpm (na kvadraturi bloka 1.2 16v), nego da su ventili dovoljni za max pik na 8000rpm (znaci ako se izracuna komplet kanal za 8000 pik, da ce ventili u postotku pratiti taj kanal do te granice)(ali to je max, na granici zasicenosti), sto bi bilo dovoljno za raspon od 4000-9000rpm, te da izmijeris nauzi dio kanala u glavi!
Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on October 12, 2009, 10:37:16 PM crazy is doing any old engine as the A112 when the 1.2 16V (serial) you have performance to spare.
2 dottore You will be directed head to review and correct what you will :P Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: dr.Maljak on October 12, 2009, 10:42:47 PM ok, aj andrstend ju bat aj do not wrajt inglis lajk ju maj bonus! hehehehehe
Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on October 13, 2009, 10:25:11 PM mea culpa.\
16V glava s vecim ventila ne postoji, najvjerojatnije iz razloga sto ventili koje sam naveo koriste novi 8V fire motor.. stabljika ventila 5mm. Provjereno Imamo glavu 1.2 16V i ona se da dobro portati. nema potrbe mjenjati ventile, naravno to prakticki fizicki nije moguce. eventualno mogu nesto veci ispusni ali nema potreba za tavom inevesticijom koja nece donijte nista spektakularno. Recept je doabr odabir bregaste i portanje po njoj itd. Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Acki on October 15, 2009, 10:50:43 PM don't understand any word kuhac
1.4 16V in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ip8pjILqqU&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ip8pjILqqU&feature=related) Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on October 15, 2009, 11:05:36 PM do not to understand. You are obliged us diagram camshaft. bic Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: sime on October 16, 2009, 09:53:45 AM Acki strafe is grose in Germany look on limit speed.
Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on October 16, 2009, 02:47:44 PM cvaj penzioneren grose erakcion.. sehen, wie der schreibt.
sime rogi Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: abarthson on October 16, 2009, 07:49:37 PM cvaj penzioneren grose erakcion.. sehen, wie der schreibt. sime rogi lol lol lol legendo you rock Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Acki on October 18, 2009, 10:10:54 PM Acki strafe is grose in Germany look on limit speed. I didn't drove in this video because I had shift faster... and drove faster :D Ups... cam timings... fuck. I will organize! Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on October 26, 2009, 10:58:19 PM glava je kod tebe doktore Maljak. JAvi sto ocekivati iz nje s modifikacijom.
Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: dr.Maljak on October 27, 2009, 12:14:00 PM na toj kvadaraturi motora, uz male izmjene oblika pocekta kanala, i korekcija tvornickog odljevka, kanali u std izvedbi su dovoljni za raspon okretaja do 7800rpm, iako kanali izgledaju sicusno, kvadratura je mala pa kalkulacija pokazuje tako! neznam koliko ima mesa sa strane ali jako malim pomakom, mogu napraviti raspon do 9000rpm da jos uvjek ventil prati! ali ako hocu na do 10000rpm, usisni ventil mora ici veci, morat cu izmijeriti dali stane veci! Zanimljiva glava!
koji je omjer klipnjaca hod? Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on October 27, 2009, 03:26:10 PM ako puno ne pita dotjeraj taj dio pik 9
Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: dr.Maljak on October 27, 2009, 03:52:33 PM mislis na raspon do 9000rpm! ako je pik na 8000rpm, raspon je cca do 9000rpm! pop
Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on October 31, 2009, 02:19:07 PM Dakle
hod radilice 1,1 sohc 71,5mm provrt 70mm hod radilice 1,2 dohc 78,8mm provrt 70,5mm duzina klipnjace centar centar od 1.1 sohc motora 112mm duzina klipnjace centar centar od 1.2 dohc motora 128mm Dakle kombinacija moze samo glava dohc na blok 1.1 sohc. Drugo samo uz ozbiljne intervencije. da bi se motor 1.2 pretvorio u 1.1 potrebno je kupiti nove klipnjace za 6mm duze sto daje mnogo bolje performanse na visim okretajima. performanse 1.1 dohc koverzije su brutalen u niskim okretajima dok na visim su katastrifalne. dakle 1.1 ima odnos 1.56:1 1.2 ima nesto povolniji odnos 1.62 za vise okrretaje. Modofikacije bloka 1.1 sohc 7+1 rupa Potrebno probusiti 7 novih rupa za vodu + jedna modificiran za podmazivivanje - ulje za glavu. Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Acki on November 04, 2009, 10:33:30 AM 1.4 16V Panda 100hp engine:
Inlet 2°/42° -> 224° Outlet 34°/2° -> 216° Lift 84 mm Bore 72 mm Rods same as 1.2 16V has. 1.2 16V Lancia Y engine: Inlet 2°/42° -> 224° Outlet 26°/6° -> 212° Lift 78,86 mm Bore 70,80 mm Pistons: (http://www.motorenteile.mahle.com/eLIZA/mahle/data/image/kol/big/K062B.jpg) compressions height 28 valve pockets 1 valve pockets 1,5 dish (?) depth 5,7 dish dia 60 pistonLENGTH 48 pin 18x53 Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on March 10, 2010, 03:03:46 PM Los izbor ali Najjeftinija konverzija mjenjanje zapremine iz 1.2l u 1.1l je ubacivanje kosuljica - manji promjer klipa.
Najkvalitenija konverzija je zamjena radilice od 1.1l i duza klipnjaca i puno bolje karakteristike u srednjim i visim okretajima. Klipnjace custom za 1.2 16V H profil 350 e set Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zlatan on October 14, 2010, 09:53:31 PM evo da se i ja oglasim ovdje
zbog niza okolnosti sam bio primoran sloziti 1.1 16v fire motor..klasa mi je do 1150! vozim OSV u BIH gdje je klasa 1 do 1150ccm proucavajuci malo forume...malo korisne informacije..uz Zeljkove savjete..krenuo sam u taj famozni projekat fire 1.1 16v evo auto radi..pali..vozi..funkcionira..sve normalno!!bilo je jako puno prepravki..mozganja..razmisljanja..probavanja...mjerenja..ali je uspjelo!! auto je jako zivahan..vrti se linearno do nekih 7500rpm uz pomoc tokara..glodara..cnc stroja..autodate sam sebi olaksao stvar!! hvala barbi na savjetima..hvala Maljku na savjetima oko glave!!!nisam imao vremena da mu posaljem glavu sad mi samo fali jedan dobar usis 4 letpira i da neki SA ECU to sve dirigira!! predstaviti cu auto u projektima cim naucim staviti slike na forum!! pozdrav Title: Re: FIAT FIRE 1.2 16V - 1.4 16V head mod Post by: Zeljko on October 15, 2010, 05:46:48 AM Hvala tebi, samo naprijed.
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