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« on: October 08, 2009, 11:21:27 PM »
Odavno samo spoznali da na blok 1.1 FIRE moze se postavi glava s iste poriodice motora.

Ako zelite ici u klase do 1150 potrazite glave s Fire motora poridica SOHC 16V.
Postavite tu glavu s klipovima iz 16V motora u blok FIRE 1.1

Ako zelite jos vise KS potrazite glave koje imaju vece ventile.

Laka kategorija konverzije, tuninga. Za vrlo ozbiljne performanse potrebno je imati glave s vecim precnicima ventila i nesto vece mogucnosti na prosirivanju kanala usisa i ispuha.
brzina X l zraka/min.


Evo vam nekih podataka:

Bravo, Brava 1.2 16V..95->..........70.8
Strada 1.2 16V...........99->                 4
Eng. 182 B2.000/176 B9.000
1242ccm 60kw(82PS)

Punto 85/85 Cabrio 16V..97->
Palio 75 Weekend......97->
Eng. M 657 BA.125
1242ccm

Nuova Punto 1.2i.e. 16V..99->
Brava 1.2i.e. 16V......99->
Stilo 1.2i.e. 16V.........01->
Eng. 188 A5.000
1242ccm 59kw(80PS)

Stilo 1.4 16V ........ 01->
Nouvo Punto ....... 03-> ............... 4
Idea 1.4 16V ....... 04->
Eng. 843 A1.000
1358ccm        70kw(95PS)
 
Valve in  26,8x6x95
Valve ex  22,4x6x96,2

Evo bregasti catcams za taj motor. www.catcams.be
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2009, 09:33:40 AM »
Uz tu konverziju bi bilo dobro zamjeniti i klipnjače jer su same po sebi lakše na 16V.

Druga stvar,što s podizačima ukoliko se ide na veće okretaje?
Konverzija ili?
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2009, 10:46:46 AM »
mehanicki sistem....i sistem s plocicom je laksi od hidropodizaca,znaci casica ,tablete,mada trpe i hidro,ali opet.....visis stalno na qm tak da znas i sam
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2009, 12:28:57 PM »
Ma to sam i mislio,ali postoji li neka OEM alternativa ili ide aftermarket.
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2009, 02:39:55 PM »
Koliko visoki okretjai hidro moze do 9000 bez problema ali trbaju drugi hidro podizaci.. 
Seriski mogu podrzati provjereno 7600 ako su ok i dobra pumap ulja tj osigurna dobava ulja.
Dalje nisam testirao--- vjerujem da mogu jos i vise.

seriski se mogu prepravi u mahanicke ali to nije SRECA! moze biti kasnije velikih problema.
Salice od catcams su lakse od hidro prerade i nadasve svojim dizajnom SIGURNE. Ne  uzrokuju kasnije kvar na motoru.

Postoje glave s vecim ventilima.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2009, 11:14:23 PM »
Koji kod motora i tocno gde se moze pronaci glava s vecim ventlima.


Year

2004
new Panda, Punto,Doblo 1.2 ie.

IN 31.9x5x98.4    
EX 27.3x5x98.1    
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2009, 11:16:52 PM »
Be care, FIRE 1.2 MPI is a 8V engine. 1242cc same as 16V!
8V ~ 75hp (normal Punto), 16V ~ 86hp (Punto Sporting, Lancia Y), 1.4 16V ~ 100hp (Panda 100hp etc. -> base for 1.4 16V T-JET).
Camshafts are other between 1.2 16V and 1.4 16V, timings I will send you. I think it was 220° and 232° or something around.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2009, 09:19:36 PM »
Very kind of you. It would be very helpful.
If you can put a cam on the 1.2 head, this is a great happiness.
Thank you again


According to the words of Dr. maljka and rough calculations 1.2 16V head is already available power from 3500-9000 without porting. - amazing
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2009, 09:47:15 PM »
Look at standard torque and power, it's amazing what this engine can when you have seen the channels. Every FIRE 1.0 with 45hp has bigger channels! But it's a 16V Wink
Camdata's will follow at week end! PC Software of a friend's workshop had this facts.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2009, 10:10:03 PM »
Most of the FIRE engines have very mild or should i say weak camshafts,but yet again good results from the engine,especially if you consider it is a free running engine.

1.2 16V was also available in Bravo/Brava.

Cam timing for Punto Sporting MK1 16V according to some data sheet should be

224° inlet
212° outlet

Dunno about lift specs though.
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2009, 10:32:11 PM »
Zeljko da te ispravim, nisam rekao da je glava u std izvedbi (kanali) sposobna za pik na 8000rpm (na kvadraturi bloka 1.2 16v), nego da su ventili dovoljni za max pik na 8000rpm (znaci ako se izracuna komplet kanal za 8000 pik, da ce ventili u postotku pratiti taj kanal do te granice)(ali to je max, na granici zasicenosti), sto bi bilo dovoljno za raspon od 4000-9000rpm, te da izmijeris nauzi dio kanala u glavi!
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2009, 10:37:16 PM »
crazy is doing any old engine as the A112 when the 1.2 16V (serial) you have performance to spare.


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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2009, 10:42:47 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2009, 10:25:11 PM »
mea culpa.\
16V glava s vecim ventila ne postoji, najvjerojatnije iz razloga sto ventili koje sam naveo koriste novi 8V fire motor.. stabljika ventila 5mm. Provjereno
Imamo glavu 1.2 16V i ona se da dobro portati. nema potrbe mjenjati ventile, naravno to prakticki fizicki nije moguce. eventualno mogu nesto veci ispusni ali nema potreba za tavom  inevesticijom koja nece donijte nista spektakularno.

Recept je doabr odabir bregaste i portanje po njoj itd.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2009, 10:50:43 PM »
don't understand any word

1.4 16V in action:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/9Ip8pjILqqU&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/9Ip8pjILqqU&rel=0</a>
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